Monday, 1 October 2007

Paraphrasing Jesus since 345AD.

News recently that the Anglican Church has cleared the way for women to become Bishops. Reminds me of a quote from the late Bill Hicks about female priests being allowed in the US. “Great, great. That makes priests of BOTH sexes that I won't listen to.”

But that’s just my godless cynicism talking. The real question should be what kind of institution in 2007 specifically prevents women from acting in certain positions? The answer would be none except our various religious bureaucracies of course, because if anyone else tried it nowadays they would be taken to court by the equal opportunity commission.

The zeitgeist of our semi-enlightened times considers men and women equal in pretty much everything except the obvious physical differences (can I beat most of you ladies in an arm wrestle, and you can grow a little human in your guts: Q.E.D). So why would the Anglican Church, or any religions body for that matter, still be discriminating against women?

Answer 1: They are an archaic sexist cult and their outdated beliefs should be recognised as the irrelevant superstitious gibberish that they are and ignored.

Answer 2: Their holy teachings specify that the position of priest or bishop should only be held by men and we should respect those beliefs.

I personally go for answer one, but, at the risk of being accused of straw man debating, I’m going to focus on option two, if only to bring up one of my favourite points that Richard Dawkins espouses. If you find it unfair of me to use the ‘women as bishops’ issue as the launching pad for this rant then feel free to substitute homosexual priests, homosexual marriage, capital punishment, working on the Sabbath etc.

The basic point is that if the bible contains the teachings of Christ and the word of God then He (they? that transubstantiation stuff does my head in) surely knows best and we should follow His teachings to the letter of the book. So if the bible forbids women priests or flared trousers then God fearing Christians should adhere to that and try to prevent it.

But things don’t seem to be that clear-cut in the bible. If they were there would be little reason for things like Papal Councils, Archbishops or theologians. Those people and institutions exist to provide judgement on religious matters and interpretation of religious document, and that’s the kicker, because as soon as you introduce human judgement and interpretation the whole system falls down.

There can be no bootstrapping here. If the bible by itself cannot provide unambiguous guidance, then personal judgement is required and the basis for that judgement must be external to the bible; ergo, mankind does not require God for moral guidance.

In fact the suggestion that mankind should be allowed to taint the teachings of God with our own judgement is in itself blasphemous. If we can use our free will to interpret the word of God into a system of morality then I would argue that we could use that same interpreting mind to do the same without God.

If you think like this the way I do then you sort of have to respect the fundamentalist religiods more than the so-called moderates. At least their beliefs are less tainted by arbitrary human judgement. They are also batshit crazy when compared with what most of us would consider normal behaviour so it’s a win-win for SeƱor Atheist here.

It’s all or nothing. If the teachings of the Church of your choice change with the times then they have been altered by human judgement and bias. Why not skip the fables and damnation and just develop a system of living together that reflects the times and aims to provide compassion, opportunity and respect to all, sans the magic?

Probably going to burn for that one.

4 comments:

Tom said...

Ah, the Bible. Here are some of my favourite verses, which have established the moral code by which I live:

"You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you." (Deuteronomy 28:53)

Lord's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed." [Jer. 13:14; 48:10]

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man." (Numbers 31:17-18)

And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.(Exodus 21:15)

And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.(Exodus 22:16-17)

It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.(Leviticus 3:17)

And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation [menstruation] shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. (Leviticus 15:20)

And heaps more at: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/precepts.html

Sandy said...

Reminds me of the time we got thrown out of a book store by moving all the bibles to the fiction section.

Matt said...

Consider this, in the cathoic church it is not possible to get divorced and then remarry. Its just a standard thing which they put in place, one of their little rules for the better of mankind (womankind??). Anyway there are of course ways around this, as with all human rules there are exceptions.

So if you were married to someone for around 20 years and had three kids and then got divorced you can still get get remarried in the catholic church, just so long as you get an an annulment. There are probably other ways too....

from wikipedia....
Annulment is a legal procedure for declaring a marriage null and void. Unlike divorce, it is retroactive: an annulled marriage is considered never to have existed

Wonderful stuff... but hold on you got three kids outside of marriage, isn't that a no no in the catholic church too??

I forget why I am no longer catholic...

Sam Cox said...

Not to mention the sheer number of different flavours of Christianity. I was going to list as many as I could but this Wiki pic does a much better job. I’m sure each of those branches has a dozen divisions too.

For fuck’s sake guys, get your story straight and I’d maybe take you more seriously.

“All the other religions have it wrong, ‘cept us Christians… and most of them have it wrong too, ‘cept us Western Revivalist Baptists… and even reverend Jones over there seems to have lost his way… but believe in our God, the one true God.”